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Post by Toot on 2012-03-22, 5:55 pm

lol...Gravity is not a theory by any means...Newton has a law (not a theory) on this. To suggest otherwise is no different than some hick saying science comes second to religion.

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Post by Stovepipe on 2012-03-22, 6:05 pm

Toot wrote:lol...Gravity is not a theory by any means...Newton has a law (not a theory) on this. To suggest otherwise is no different than some hick saying science comes second to religion.

I guess I need clarification on your original statement. You said:

Toot wrote:All aspects of gravity have been proven to my knowledge

All aspects of gravity are not understood, not by a long shot. Is gravity an observable, measurable, and predictable force? Sure, that has been proven. I guess I'm not clear on your point. Not trying to argue, just trying to understand.
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Post by Toot on 2012-03-22, 6:08 pm

My point is.... it would be incorrect to label Gravity as a theory. Its very much a scientific fact...Im not saying we completely understand it but we do know it exists...so its no longer a theory. Sort of like we know the earth is round instead of flat

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Post by Stovepipe on 2012-03-22, 6:16 pm

Toot wrote:My point is.... it would be incorrect to label Gravity as a theory. Its very much a scientific fact...Im not saying we completely understand it but we do know it exists...so its no longer a theory. Sort of like we know the earth is round instead of flat

I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you here Toot.

Gravitation is one of the four fundamental interactions of nature, along with electromagnetism, and the nuclear strong force and weak force[citation needed]. Modern physics describes gravitation using the general theory of relativity by Einstein, in which it is a consequence of the curvature of spacetime governing the motion of inertial objects. The simpler Newton's law of universal gravitation provides an accurate approximation for most physical situations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitation

It's described by the general theory of relativity. Newton's law is an approximation. Gravity is not like the wind where we can not only observe and acknowledge it but also clearly explain why it happens. Comparatively we know jack crap about gravity. Luckily we have some handy math that helps us to make sense of it's effects though.
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Post by Toot on 2012-03-22, 6:20 pm

You know it exists just like I do...and you still think gravity is a theory? Our Solar system is a working model of gravity in progress...its there in front of your eyes. I cant help it if you dont believe what you see...lolz


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Post by Toot on 2012-03-22, 6:21 pm

Its also taught in school as a scientific fact and rightly so

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Post by Stovepipe on 2012-03-22, 6:25 pm

Toot wrote:You know it exists just like I do...and you still think gravity is a theory? Our Solar system is a working model of gravity in progress...its there in front of your eyes. I cant help you if you dont believe what you see...lolz

LOL. Dude, I'm not denying that it exists! Where did I say that it didn't exist? I'm saying that it can only be explained using a scientific theory.

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Post by Toot on 2012-03-22, 6:26 pm

Something that exists is no longer a theory.. Do you not agree?

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Post by Toot on 2012-03-22, 6:30 pm

I understand that people explain complex subjects using current and older theories... but that doesnt make the subject that they're explaining a theory also.

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Post by Stovepipe on 2012-03-22, 6:34 pm

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Post by Toot on 2012-03-22, 6:41 pm

Im not...I just cant let someone call gravity a theory without getting all worked up. hurry

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Post by Toot on 2012-03-22, 7:01 pm

Let it be known that I do believe in the Big Bang and what happened afterwards. Where I probably differ from y'all is that I believe that God created the Big Bang and therefore created life and we have happily evolved since and are still evolving Smile

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Post by Homemommy on 2012-03-22, 7:42 pm

Toot wrote:Let it be known that I do believe in the Big Bang and what happened afterwards. Where I probably differ from y'all is that I believe that God created the Big Bang and therefore created life and we have happily evolved since and are still evolving Smile

Wha? Are you sayin that you believe the Big Bang created the planet and life on it or just the planet? If it's the former, how do you explain a bunch of rocks and stuff exploding and making people and plants and animals?

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Post by Toot on 2012-03-22, 8:04 pm

Homemommy wrote:

Wha? Are you sayin that you believe the Big Bang created the planet and life on it or just the planet? If it's the former, how do you explain a bunch of rocks and stuff exploding and making people and plants and animals?
lol smoke



Im saying I believe that God created the "Big Bang" which in turn created all things.

Planet's...Life etc etc etc.

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Post by John1122 on 2012-03-22, 8:20 pm

I personally can't believe the big bang theory because the mathematical odds against it are so staggering.

I once saw a scientist of said it would be akin to a hurricane passing over a junkyard and randomly assembling a fully functional jumbo jet.

It also changes each time someone disproves certain aspects of it. That's how the whole "dark matter" stuff was added to it. Convenient that dark matter can't be detected or proven in any way at all, but the only way for the big bang to have happened is for it to exist, so it does in the mind of people like Hawking.

I also have serious doubts about macro evolution. And not for religious reasons either.

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Post by Stovepipe on 2012-03-22, 8:51 pm

We humans think we are so very smart, but there is only 1% of our DNA that separates us from monkeys. Odds are we only understand a small fraction of the universe so all this big bang monkey talk is moot. It's fun though!

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Post by jmundie on 2012-03-22, 8:55 pm

Discussion on gravity being a law and a theory

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Post by Stovepipe on 2012-03-22, 9:04 pm

jmundie wrote:Discussion on gravity being a law and a theory

http://thehappyscientist.com/science-experiment/gravity-theory-or-law

I'm surprised that today is actually Thursday and not Mundie. This has been your day my friend, your google-fu impresses! Thanks for settling that.

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Post by Toot on 2012-03-22, 9:22 pm

Yes there are theories of how Gravity works... but Gravity itself is not a theory. I think I misspoke or was misunderstood.





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Post by Stovepipe on 2012-03-22, 9:31 pm

Toot wrote:Yes there are theories of how Gravity works... but Gravity itself is not a theory. I think I misspoke or was misunderstood.

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Tennessee Evolution Bill Becomes Law After Governor Bill Haslam Declines To Act

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A Tennessee bill meant to protect teachers who allow students to question and criticize "controversial" subjects such as evolution and climate change became law on Tuesday after Gov. Bill Haslam (R) declined to act.

The state legislature had sent the bill to Haslam earlier this month. He had until Tuesday to veto it, sign it or allow it to pass without his signature.

Critics of the legislation have dubbed it the "Monkey Bill" and charge that it is anti-science, backdoor approval of the teaching of religion in schools that reminds of the state's history with the Scopes Trial.

"It would open the door to creationism, it would open the door to climate change denial, and to other sorts of pseudosciences being introduced into Tennessee classrooms," Josh Rosenau of the National Center for Science Education told The Huffington Post last month.

Haslam claimed to have looked into the potential effects of the legislation and had determined that opponents' worries about the broader impacts on the state's public school curriculum were unwarranted. But on Tuesday, Haslam expressed "concern" about potential "confusion" stemming from the measure in a statement regarding his inaction:

I have reviewed the final language of HB 368/SB 893 and assessed the legislation's impact. I have also evaluated the concerns that have been raised by the bill. I do not believe that this legislation changes the scientific standards that are taught in our schools or the curriculum that is used by our teachers. However, I also don’t believe that it accomplishes anything that isn’t already acceptable in our schools.

The bill received strong bipartisan support, passing the House and Senate by a three-to-one margin, but good legislation should bring clarity and not confusion. My concern is that this bill has not met this objective. For that reason, I will not sign the bill but will allow it to become law without my signature.

It's the first bill Haslam has allowed to become law without his signature.

Last week, Haslam received a letter and petition with 3,200 signatures urging him to veto the "dangerous" measure.

Americans United for Separation of Church and State and the American Civil Liberties Union had also pressured Haslam to reject the bill, which they believed was an unconstitutional and unwise gateway for the teaching of creationism and intelligent design in public schools.

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A Tennessee bill meant to protect teachers who allow students to question and criticize "controversial" subjects such as evolution and climate change became law on Tuesday after Gov. Bill Haslam (R) declined to act.

Yayyyy...Kids still have the right to free speech and they can believe what they want to believe when it comes to unproven theories cheers

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Toot wrote:
A Tennessee bill meant to protect teachers who allow students to question and criticize "controversial" subjects such as evolution and climate change became law on Tuesday after Gov. Bill Haslam (R) declined to act.

Yayyyy...Kids still have the right to free speech and they can believe what they want to believe when it comes to unproven theories cheers

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