Winter 2011/2012 Pattern Discussion
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Re: Winter 2011/2012 Pattern Discussion
John1122 wrote:
Someday we'll get another major event like that. 12+ events happen here on average about every 5 years. They are much more rare in Knoxville and the central valley. Though Anderson, Union, and Northern Knox had 15-20 inches in Feb 1996 with similar totals during the blizzard.
John wasnt the Blizzard of 96 in January?
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There was certainly one hell of a storm in Jan 96. I was living in Greve Hall at UT at the time and it shut the campus down for at least a day or two. It takes a serious storm to shut down UT campus.
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Stovepipe wrote:There was certainly one hell of a storm in Jan 96. I was living in Greve Hall at UT at the time and it shut the campus down for at least a day or two. It takes a serious storm to shut down UT campus.
Yeah it was a great storm...John may be talking about another event that year..not sure
Blizzard of 96
Re: Winter 2011/2012 Pattern Discussion
Toot wrote:John1122 wrote:
Someday we'll get another major event like that. 12+ events happen here on average about every 5 years. They are much more rare in Knoxville and the central valley. Though Anderson, Union, and Northern Knox had 15-20 inches in Feb 1996 with similar totals during the blizzard.
John wasnt the Blizzard of 96 in January?
It was, but a much bigger storm for this area came February 2nd 1996. I had 16 inches of snow from it. But there was a super heavy band of 20+ in Anderson, Union and Northern Knox.
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Re: Winter 2011/2012 Pattern Discussion
From the event report.
A low pressure trof extended from the Gulf of Mexico to across East Tennessee. This trof brought large amounts of moisture to the Southern Appalachians while a cold air mass moved in from the northwest. Snowfall amounts across the region ranged from 4 inches in Southeast Tennessee to nearly 24 inches in parts of Middle East Tennessee. Numerous minor traffic accidents were reported though no major accidents.
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Interesting John...I dont remember that one but here it is on NARR
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1996 was a damn fine winter. It had everything a true winter lover could want.
3 large snowstorms, 2 in the double digits. Highs well below freezing. Snow on the ground from early January until late February. Extreme cold.
This is the local paper from the aftermath of that storm.
3 large snowstorms, 2 in the double digits. Highs well below freezing. Snow on the ground from early January until late February. Extreme cold.
This is the local paper from the aftermath of that storm.
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for some reason it feels like all of these 93 and 96 event pics/gifs/talk are in the wrong thread.
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Reb wrote:for some reason it feels like all of these 93 and 96 event pics/gifs/talk are in the wrong thread.
Lol...Reb is hungry for some action but his spirit is broke...REB COME BACK WE HARDLY KNEW YE!!
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Re: Winter 2011/2012 Pattern Discussion
Ok, I've been a big fan of instantweathermaps.com all winter but they screwed the pooch on this one. This is what they are showing at hour 174:
Obviously not the flakes that ewall and ncep are showing. Now we have not only the models flip flopping, but we have the sites all wonky as well. Great!
NCEP for reference:
Obviously not the flakes that ewall and ncep are showing. Now we have not only the models flip flopping, but we have the sites all wonky as well. Great!
NCEP for reference:
Re: Winter 2011/2012 Pattern Discussion
Latest OZ GFS run shows it 13 degrees at Huntsville, and 7 at Nashville, and that is at 6PM on Feb.4...no telling how low it would end up but that is as far as it goes so far
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0z GFS is sexy as all get out ...it sets up CRAZY HIGH LATTITUDE BLOCKING...if its right the NAO/AO will tank and we'll be in for a blockbuster finish to winter. Color me excited...we have ensemble support and now operational support.
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Re: Winter 2011/2012 Pattern Discussion
Some Robert tid bits:
What happens with the TX cutoff is crucial this run. Who knows if its right, but its a sign (like last few days) that the building heights from Maine to Hudson Bay are going to play on the pattern. By 156 hours the split occurs (its back on). The cutoff develops severe weather in Ms. Al and the 1040 high dams down to NC on Wednesday (no ice, just upper 30s and rain). Then the upper low absorbs just enough cold air to snow in Tenn Valley, which fits whats happend twice. At 168 hours the whole flow is in the midst of change, the Hudson Bay blocking is there, and the PV weakens in Alaska so that nw flow is in course, which is much, much colder scenario, and much sooner than models showed earlier.
There is extremely strong ridging in Hudson Bay, so this means very supressed flow. Usually models don't handle supressed flow well when there is 50/50 low and Baffin Island blocking, so be on the lookout for that upper low to be further south than shown at days 7 through 10 time frame. Who knows if this run is right , trends are important though and the mishandling of the cutoff next week means a lot. Atleast theres no major west coast trough , east ridge this run. It could return next run though. If this run is right, there would eventually be an ice storm in NC and upper SC.
1060 high and a massive arctic outbreak late in the run. Of course lately the GFS has been showing this. If we get a PNA + ridge out west, it will happen. If not, the west gets cold and we get warmer. The critical component is probably the cutoff and the development of the Maine-to-Hudson Bay ridging that shows up in 5 days. Also, this run redvelops the north Alaskan block, this time combined with Greenland ridging, a critical piece missing. That would force cold to encompass most of the US and keep a southern and eastern storm track. Translation: winter storms.
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A couple of things I don't like being modeled right now. On the 00z and 06z GFS Ensemble mean the blocking in Alaska is only temporary and quickly gets replaced by yet another monster low. Shown on the EPO charts. Also there isn't much in the way of Greenland blocking to hold the cold in the place.
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Re: Winter 2011/2012 Pattern Discussion
Snowdog im seeing plenty of NAO blocking on both the 0z and 6z ensembles.
But I agree...I liked the negative EPO look and would like to see that modeled again. That said the euro is not budging.
But I agree...I liked the negative EPO look and would like to see that modeled again. That said the euro is not budging.
Re: Winter 2011/2012 Pattern Discussion
Its gonna change a bunch between now and whenever the pattern really starts switching up.
Biggest thing to watch is how the ULL is handled. I have a tempered enthusiasm at this point.
Biggest thing to watch is how the ULL is handled. I have a tempered enthusiasm at this point.
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Re: Winter 2011/2012 Pattern Discussion
If Mundie is enthusiastic, I'm enthusiastic!
Hoping we see some modicum of consistency with the GFS for a change.
Hoping we see some modicum of consistency with the GFS for a change.
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When all of this goes down i will get excited, right now i will get my golf clubs ready for spring temps.
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